The ECG in Figure-1 was obtained from a middle-aged patient — who presented with palpitations. The patient has known ischemic heart disease, and was hemodynamically stable with this rhythm.
QUESTIONS:
- How would you interpret the rhythm in Figure-1?
- Clinically — What would YOU do?
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| Figure-1: The initial ECG in today's case — obtained from a middle-aged patient with palpitations. (To improve visualization — I've digitized the original ECG using PMcardio). |
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My Initial Thoughts:
I found this rhythm fascinating! The "good news" — is that today's patient was hemodynamically stable with this rhythm — which tells us that we at least have a "moment in time" to contemplate what is going on.
- As always — I favor the Ps,Qs,3Rs Approach for systematic rhythm interpretation (See ECG Blog #185 for review of the Ps,Qs,3Rs).
- HINT #1: It does not matter in what sequence you look for P waves, QRS width, and the 3 Rs of Rate, rhythm Regularity, and whether atrial activity is (or is not) Related to neighboring QRS complexes.
- HINT #2: It sometimes helps to step back a little bit from the tracing when assessing rhythm Regularity.
- HINT #2: Using calipers will be especially helpful for interpreting the rhythm in Figure-1.
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CHALLENGE: I've labeled today's tracing below in Figure-2 — but before looking at how I labeled this — What do YOU think?
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| Figure-2: I've labeled today's ECG. |
Assessing the Ps, Qs, and 3Rs in Today's ECG:
My thoughts in the sequence they came to me were as follows:
- As I did not see upright P waves in front of neighboring QRS complexes — I knew the rhythm was not sinus.
- The QRS is wide (clearly more than half a large box in duration).
- The Rate of this rhythm is not overly fast (ie, with an R-R interval of ~3 large boxes in duration = about 100/minute).
- Although one might initially think the rhythm was regular — stepping back a little bit from the tracing allows us to appreciate that this rhythm is definitely not Regular. Instead — there is a "regular irregularity" — in the form of group beating (Using calipers facilitates recognizing that there are alternating shorter [RED] — then longer [BLUE] R-R intervals).
- Looking closer at QRS complexes (especially in the inferior leads) — a sharp negative deflection follows each QRS complex in leads II,III,aVF at a fixed distance after each of the 10 beats in this tracing (YELLOW arrows). These negative deflections represent retrograde P waves with a fixed RP' interval ( = 1:1 VA conduction).
- Looking at simultaneously-recorded leads aVR,aVL,V1 — we can appreciate a small, positive pointed deflection that occurs at precisely the same instant in time as these negative deflections. This confirms that these YELLOW arrow negative deflections do in fact represent retrograde P waves (such that these P waves are Related to preceding QRS complexes by a fixed RP' interval — and this rhythm is not AFib).
My Impression of Today's Rhythm:
To Emphasize: This is an extremely complex rhythm! What follows below goes well Beyond-the-Core!
- At this point in my assessment, given QRS widening with retrograde P waves — I suspected a ventricular rhythm with the unusual finding of group beating.
- The finding of group beating should always suggest the possibility of Wenckebach conduction (See ECG Blog #164 and Blog #457 and Blog #66, among others). It's important to realize that "Wenckebach conduction" is not limited to 2nd-degree AV block of the Mobitz I type. Instead — Wenckebach periodicity can be seen in association with SA block, with AFib, AFlutter and ATach; with retrograde conduction — and on occasion (like today's case appears to be) — with ventricular rhythms!
- As I schematically show in Figure-3 — what can happen is that there may be a ventricular rhythm that exhibits a form of Wenckebach Exit Block out of the ventricular ectopic focus at the junction of this focus with ventricular myocardium (Credit to Dr. Harry Mond for his explanation of this fascinating and rare phenomenon — Harry's Corner of March 3, 2025).
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| Figure-3: Schematic of Exit Block from an ectopic ventricular focus. |
Laddergram Illustration:
In Figure-4 — I schematically depict what appears to be happening with the Exit Block in today's case.
- The lower ORANGE-shaded Tier in this laddergram represents events emanating out of the ectopic ventricular focus that I schematically drew in Figure-3.
- As can be seen in the Figure-4 laddergram — because of the Wenckebach Exit Block, only 2 out of every 3 impulses make it out of this ectopic ventricular focus (the Orange-shaded Tier) to arrive at the ventricles.
- PEARL #1: If it were not for the Exit Block — the rate of this ectopic ventricular rhythm in today's case would be considerably faster than what it appears to be. We only see 2 out of every 3 ventricular impulses on the surface ECG. The R-R interval within which these 2 ventricular beats occur on the surface ECG equals the distance between beat #1 and beat #3 (which is ~6 large boxes in duration). As a result — the average rate of the ventricular rhythm on the surface ECG (ie, in Figure-4) is ~100/minute.
- But within the ectopic ventricular focus — 3 (not two) impulses are occurring within this R-R interval of ~6 large boxes. Thus, within the ventricular focus — an impulse is formed every 2 large boxes — and 300 ÷ 2 =150/minute. This means that if it were not for the 3:2 Wenckebach Exit Block — that the rate of the ectopic ventricular focus would be a ventricular tachycardia at 150/minute!
- Continuing with the laddergram in Figure-4 — Once the 2-out-of-3 ventricular impulses make it out of the ectopic-ventricular junction — they depolarize the ventricular myocardium — and in today's case, also generate 1:1 retrograde conduction back to the atria (YELLOW arrows with a fixed RP' interval after each ventricular beat).
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| Figure-4: My proposed Laddergram of today's rhythm. |
Are there Other Possibilities for Today's Rhythm?
QRS morphology in Figure-2 supports the probability that this represents a ventricular rhythm. That's because:
- QRS morphology in this tracing does not resemble any of the usual forms of conduction block (ie, Although today's tracing is consistent with LBBB conduction in the limb leads [with an all positive QRS in leads I and aVL] — it manifests a very atypical pattern for either LBBB or RBBB conduction in the chest leads [that show a qR in lead V1, but with tall, positive QRS complexes in each of the remaining 5 chest leads]).
PEARL #2: Rarely — a supraventricular QRS morphology pattern may be seen that resembles LBBB conduction in the limb leads, but RBBB conduction in the chest leads. This pattern is known as MBBB (Masquerading Bundle Branch Block — See ECG Blog #517). - With regard to the rhythm in Figure-2 — although I think a ventricular rhythm with Wenckebach Exit Block out of the ventricular focus is the most likely explanation for the regular irregularity that we see in today's tracing — I can not rule out the possibility that this is a junctional rhythm with preexisting MBBB and Wenckebach conduction out of the AV Node.
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Challenge QUESTIONS:
We come to the issues of how we might increase the certainty of our rhythm diagnosis? — and the clinical issue of How best to manage today's patient? Consider the following:
- If you could ask this patient 1 question — What would that question be?
- If there was 1 thing you could get from review of this patient's chart — What would you look for?
My Answers:
In addition to seeing some basic laboratory results (renal function, serum electrolytes, etc.) and learning whatever else we could about this patient:
- I'd want to know what medication(s) this patient was taking? (ie, To see if any medication might be predisposing the patient to ventricular arrhythmias).
- I'd want to see a prior ECG on this patient (ie, To see if the unusual QRS morphology seen in Figure-2 was previously present during sinus rhythm).
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The CASE Concludes:
Review of this patient's chart revealed that the patient was being seen for psychiatric care — and that he was taking Respiridone.
- It has long been known typical antipsychotic drugs (ie, Chlorpromazine, Haloperidol, Thioridazine, etc.) increase the risk of serious, and even fatal cardiac arrhythmias. It appears that newer atypical antipsychotic drugs (including Respiridone) also significantly increase this risk (Ray et al — N Engl J Med 360(3):225-235, 2009). The mechanism is thought to be the result of blockade of potassium channels with prolongation of cardiac repolarization. Respiridone does prolong the QTc — but by itself, usually not enough to precipitate Torsades de Pointes.
- No previous ECG was found on this patient’s chart (and no indication was seen in the medical chart that the patient previously had arrhythmias).
- The patient was not cooperative — and he signed out against medical advice (It was felt that the patient was sufficiently competent mentally to do so).
- The “good news” — is the fact that this patient felt well enough that he decided to leave suggests that he was not symptomatic with this arrhythmia.
- Unfortunately — no further follow-up is available.
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Acknowledgment: My appreciation to Cardiology Notes (FB ECG site) for making allowing me to use this case.
- Special acknowledgment also to Omar Hassan Seddik (Mansoura City, Egypt) and Khaled Ash (from Damascus, Syria) for their input and for drawing my attention to this case.
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— OLDER VERSION —
The ECG in Figure-1 was obtained from a middle-aged patient — who presented with palpitations. The patient has known ischemic heart disease, and was hemodynamically stable with this rhythm.
QUESTIONS:
- How would you interpret the rhythm in Figure-1?
- Clinically — What would YOU do?
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| Figure-1: The initial ECG in today's case — obtained from a middle-aged patient with palpitations. (To improve visualization — I've digitized the original ECG using PMcardio). |
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My Initial Thoughts:
I found this rhythm fascinating! The "good news" — is that today's patient was hemodynamically stable with this rhythm — which tells us that we at least have a "moment in time" to contemplate what is going on.
- As always — I favor the Ps,Qs,3Rs Approach for systematic rhythm interpretation (See ECG Blog #185 for review of the Ps,Qs,3Rs).
- HINT #1: It does not matter in what sequence you look for P waves, QRS width, and the 3 Rs of Rate, rhythm Regularity, and whether atrial activity is (or is not) Related to neighboring QRS complexes.
- HINT #2: It sometimes helps to step back a little bit from the tracing when assessing rhythm Regularity.
- HINT #2: Using calipers will be especially helpful for interpreting the rhythm in Figure-1.
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CHALLENGE: I've labeled today's tracing below in Figure-2 — but before looking at how I labeled this — What do YOU think?
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| Figure-2: I've labeled today's ECG. |
Assessing the Ps, Qs, and 3Rs in Today's ECG:
My thoughts in the sequence they came to me were as follows:
- As I did not see upright P waves in front of neighboring QRS complexes — I knew the rhythm was not sinus.
- The QRS is wide (clearly more than half a large box in duration).
- The Rate of this rhythm is not overly fast (ie, with an R-R interval of ~3 large boxes in duration = about 100/minute).
- Although one might initially think the rhythm was regular — stepping back a little bit from the tracing allows us to appreciate that this rhythm is definitely not Regular. Instead — there is a "regular irregularity" — in the form of group beating (Using calipers facilitates recognizing that there are alternating shorter [RED] — then longer [BLUE] R-R intervals).
- Looking closer at QRS complexes (especially in the inferior leads) — a sharp negative deflection follows each QRS complex in leads II,III,aVF at a fixed distance after each of the 10 beats in this tracing (YELLOW arrows). These negative deflections represent retrograde P waves with a fixed RP' interval ( = 1:1 VA conduction).
- Looking at simultaneously-recorded leads aVR,aVL,V1 — we can appreciate a small, positive pointed deflection that occurs at precisely the same instant in time as these negative deflections. This confirms that these YELLOW arrow negative deflections do in fact represent retrograde P waves (such that these P waves are Related to preceding QRS complexes by a fixed RP' interval — and this rhythm is not AFib).
My Impression of Today's Rhythm:
To Emphasize: This is an extremely complex rhythm! What follows below goes well Beyond-the-Core!
- At this point in my assessment, given QRS widening with retrograde P waves — I suspected a ventricular rhythm with the unusual finding of group beating.
- The finding of group beating should always suggest the possibility of Wenckebach conduction (See ECG Blog #164 and Blog #457 and Blog #66, among others). It's important to realize that "Wenckebach conduction" is not limited to 2nd-degree AV block of the Mobitz I type. Instead — Wenckebach periodicity can be seen in association with SA block, with AFib, AFlutter and ATach; with retrograde conduction — and on occasion (like today's case appears to be) — with ventricular rhythms!
- As I schematically show in Figure-3 — what can happen is that there may be a ventricular rhythm that exhibits a form of Wenckebach Exit Block out of the ventricular ectopic focus at the junction of this focus with ventricular myocardium (Credit to Dr. Harry Mond for his explanation of this fascinating and rare phenomenon — Harry's Corner of March 3, 2025).
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| Figure-3: Schematic of Exit Block from an ectopic ventricular focus. |
Laddergram Illustration:
In Figure-4 — I schematically depict what appears to be happening with the Exit Block in today's case.
- The lower ORANGE-shaded Tier in this laddergram represents events emanating out of the ectopic ventricular focus.
- As can be seen, because of the Wenckebach Exit Block — Only 2 out of every 3 impulses make it out the ectopic ventricular focus to arrive at the ventricles.
- PEARL #1: If it were not for the Exit Block — the rate of this ectopic ventricular rhythm would be considerably faster than what it appears to be. We only see 2 out of every 3 ventricular impulses on the surface ECG. The R-R interval within which these 2 ventricular beats occur on the surface ECG equals the distance between beat #1 and beat #3 (which is ~6 large boxes in duration). As a result — the average rate of the ventricular rhythm in Figure-4 is ~100/minute.
- But within the ectopic ventricular focus — 3 impulses are occurring within this R-R interval of ~6 large boxes. Thus, within the ventricular focus 1/3 of the ventricular rate = 300/6 = 50/minute. This means that if it were not for the 3:2 Wenckebach Exit Block — that the rate of the ectopic ventricular focus would be a ventricular tachycardia at 150/minute!
- Continuing with the laddergram in Figure-4 — Once the 2-out-of-3 ventricular impulses make it out of the ectopic-ventricular junction — they depolarize the ventricular myocardium — and in today's case, also generate 1:1 retrograde conduction back to the atria (YELLOW arrows with a fixed RP' interval after each ventricular beat).
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| Figure-4: My proposed Laddergram of today's rhythm. |
Are there Other Possibilities for Today's Rhythm?
QRS morphology in Figure-2 supports the probability that this represents a ventricular rhythm. That's because QRS morphology in this tracing does not resemble any of the usual forms of conduction block (ie, Although today's tracing is consistent with LBBB conduction in the limb leads [with an all positive QRS in leads I and aVL] — it manifests a very atypical pattern for either LBBB or RBBB conduction in the chest leads [that show a qR in lead V1, but with tall, positive QRS complexes in each of the remaining 5 chest leads]).
NOTE: Rarely — a QRS morphology pattern may be seen that resembles LBBB conduction in the limb leads, but RBBB conduction in the chest leads. This pattern is known as MBBB (Masquerading Bundle Branch Block — See ECG Blog #517). With regard to the rhythm in Figure-2 — although I think a ventricular rhythm with Wenckebach Exit Block out of the ventricular focus is the most likely explanation for the regular irregularity that we see in today's tracing — I can not rule out the possibility that this is a junctional rhythm with preexisting MBBB and Wenckebach conduction out of the AV Node.
Challenge QUESTIONS:
- If you had 1 question to ask this patient — What would it be?
- If there was 1 thing you could get from this patient's medical records — What would you look for?
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Note — rather than "VT" — today's rhythm represents AIVR (AIVR) with Wenckebach conduction out of the ventricular ectopic focus, as the shorter R-R intervals (between the RED arrows) are barely less than 3 large boxes, which correspond to a ventricular rate just over 100/minute (See ECG Blog #108 — for more on distinction between "fast VT" vs AIVR).
Blog 108
https://ecg-interpretation.blogspot.com/2015/04/ecg-blog-108-ventricular-rhythms-aivr-vt.html
Harry Mond LINK
https://www.cardioscan.co/harrys-corner/an-unusual-ventricular-tachycardia
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Acknowledgment: My appreciation to Cardiology Notes (FB ECG site) for making allowing me to use this case.
— Special acknowledgment also to Omar Hassan Seddik (Mansoura City, Egypt) and Khaled Ash (from Damascus, Syria) for their input and for drawing my attention to this case.
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GREAT post on FB from Cardiology Notes (on Facebook !!! )
— YES — I can acknowledge them as “Cardiology Notes” — and perhaps I should give the link to this post on FB?
— Also to acknowledge — Omar Hassan and Khaled Ash (both from FB !!! )
Greetings Sir — I apologize for texting you late,
Yes of course sir, it an honor to me, thank you so much
Omar Hassan Seddik, Egypt, Mansoura city.
TITLE of MY BLOG POST —
— “The Patient just left … “
THIS IS THE CASE from Cardiology Notes:
https://www.facebook.com/good.job.692776/posts/pfbid0gY4XyPWXBYniYjdLoifq7oPJji2sMU8V7G3d1jAgd5nmUbyuRa8LRZitH7RZqCArl
A 54 year old female patient with history of ischemic heart disease complaining of palpitations and dyspnea
MY 1stt REPLY:
FASCINATING rhythm! I've taken the figure posted by Khaled Ash (above) — and have added light BLUE arrows that to me suggest 1:1 retrograde V-A conduction (in addition to the suggestion of 3:2 Wenckebach conduction!
Possibilities are several — in addition to AIVR with 3:2 Wenckebach conduction out of the ventricular focus — this could be junctional with a baseline ECG showing MBBB ( = Masquerading Bundle Branch Block), again with 1:1 VA conduction backward and 3:2 Wenckebach out of the AV node.
My PLEA to Cardiology Notes — PLEASE GIVE US FOLLOW-UP of this fascinating case! Surely YOU have some follow-up!
— What does the baseline ECG look like?
— Is this patient on Digoxin? (if so — likely Dig Toxicity)
— What happened? (Recent acute MI? Electrolyte abnormalities?)
MY 2nd REPLY:
NOTE: Cardiology Notes and Omar Hassan, Khaled Ash and myself have all been corresponding about this fascinating case. The patient is on Respiridone (See attached — as this psychotropic medication IS associated with a number of adverse effects that may have contributed to this unusual cardiac arrhythmia !!!
Otherwise — Cardiology Notes has shared with us that this patient signed out of the hospital on his own, refusing further evaluation. Pt was not cooperative !!! — but at least he felt well enough to sign out AMA on his own !!!
I would have loved to see a copy of his previous ECG to help determine if today's rhythm is supraventricular (with MBBB) vs ventricular in etiology as a possible adverse effect from Respiridone ...
Respiridone — high risk of sudden death
Ray et al — N Engl J Med 360(3):225-235, 2009
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2713724/
Users of typical antipsychotics have increased risk of serious ventricular arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death. However, less is known regarding the cardiac safety of the atypical antipsychotic drugs, which have largely replaced the older agents in clinical practice.
At present, less is known regarding the cardiac safety of the atypical antipsychotic drugs, which have largely replaced the older agents in clinical practice. Several atypical antipsychotics block repolarizing potassium currents2 and prolong ventricular repolarization,1,13 and the electrophysiologic effects of some drugs are comparable to those of the older agents. However, although torsade de pointes has been reported with atypical antipsychotics,14–16 whether these drugs increase the risk of sudden cardiac death to the same extent as the older medications is unknown. We thus conducted a large retrospective cohort study designed to compare the risk of sudden cardiac death for the two classes of antipsychotic drugs.
Our study did not assess the mechanisms by which either class of antipsychotics increased risk of sudden cardiac death. Although antipsychotics have chronic adverse cardiovascular effects,12 the risk of sudden death was elevated in an analysis excluding long-term users, which suggests that acute drug effects are involved. We believe the most plausible explanation is that antipsychotic drugs increase the risk of serious ventricular arrhythmias, probably through blockade of potassium channels and prolongation of cardiac repolarization. However, other mechanisms may be involved, including autonomic effects, inhibition of other ion channels, or other acute cardiotoxicities, such as the myocarditis associated with clozapine use.38
In conclusion, current users of both typical and atypical antipsychotics in the study cohort had a similar dose-related increased risk of sudden cardiac death. This suggests that with regard to this adverse effect, the atypical antipsychotics are no safer than the older drugs.
Respiridone does prolong the QTc — but unless there is an overdose, usually by not enough to cause Torsades — it may cause bradycardia — it may cause av block (although this is less common at lower doses.