- What is the rhythm?
- There are multiple interesting ECG findings on this tracing with regard both to the rhythm, as well as to the 12-lead ECG. How many of these findings can you identify?
- Do you need to draw a laddergram in order to interpret this tracing?
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| Figure-1: Today's ECG that was sent to me. (To improve visualization — I've digitized the original ECG using PMcardio). |
- Confession: My initial impression for the rhythm was wrong.
- PEARL #1: I can figure out 90-95% of complex rhythms within seconds without the need to draw a laddergram. That said — it's important to appreciate that there will always be some rhythms for which even arrhythmia specialists may not be able to determine a precise etiology without aid of a laddergram. Today's case is one of those rhythms.
- That said — You do not need a laddergram in today's case in order to make a time-efficient diagnosis of the essentials needed for appropriate initial management. As a result — I divide my discussion into 2 parts: i) Detailed discussion of multiple interesting findings in today's ECG (including my proposed laddergram for the etiology of the rhym); — and, ii) The steps I used to expedite time-efficient assessment sufficient for appropriate clinical decision-making.
- NOTE: It does not matter in what sequence we assess the Ps, Qs and 3Rs. As a result — I do not always look first for P waves. Instead — I often start with whichever of the 5 KEY parameters is easiest to assess.
- Focusing on the long lead II rhythm strip at the bottom of the tracing — We should be able to appreciate that the rhythm is not Regular. But because of the relatively small difference between R-R intervals — it could be easy to mistake this tracing for a regular rhythm. Instead, there is a regular irregularity to the rhythm ( = group beating in the form of alternating longer-then-shorter R-R intervals).
- In Figure-1 — Longer R-R intervals ( = R-R intervals between beats #1-2; 3-4; 5-6; and 7-8) — alternate with shorter R-R intervals ( = R-R intervals between beats #2-3; 4-5; and 6-7).
- PEARL #3: Practically speaking — this finding of alternating longer-then-shorter R-R intervals is too consistent in Figure-1 to be due to chance. This means there is "group" beating — which should always suggest the possibility of some form of Wenckebach conduction (ie, There are other causes of group beating not due to Wenckebach, such as atrial bigeminy with either blocked or conducted PACs. That said — it is helpful clinically to always consider Wenckebach conduction whenever you realize that there is a repetitive pattern of beats).
- The QRS in Figure-1 is intermittently wide. Depending on which lead(s) you used to assess QRS width — it could be EASY to overlook the fact that some QRS complexes are wide, while others are narrow.
- PEARL #4: 12 leads are better than one! Appreciation that some QRS complexes are wide while others are not is best seen in lead V1 — in which beat #5 (which corresponds to the 1st beat seen in lead V1) is wide with the appearance of RBBB conduction. On the other hand — beat #6 ( = the 2nd beat in lead V1) is narrow!
- Armed with the knowledge that beat #5 is wide, but beat #6 is not wide — We can see that in the long lead II rhythm strip, a terminal S wave is seen at the end of every-other-QRS complex (ie, a terminal wide S wave is seen at the end of the QRS of each odd-numbered beat = beats #1,3,5 and 7).
- PEARL #5: The fact that the QRS of each of the even-numbered beats is narrow — suggests that the longer preceding R-R interval before beats #2,4,6,8 allowed enough additional time for recovery of right bundle branch conduction (ie, that the reason for intermittent QRS widening is rate-related RBBB block).
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Acknowledgment: My appreciation to Omar Hassan Seddik (from Mansoura City, Egypt) for submission of today's case with these tracings.
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Omar Hassen — FB Messenger (5/3/2026)
This ECG was sent to me by a friend he was asking about the rhythm unfortunately he provided no information.
— "What is or is not Conducting?" —
My impression Sinus rhythm/tachycardia (black arrows) DDX AT, RAA alternating Wenchebach periodicity (multi-level AVB> 3:2Wenchebach+2:1 AVB, intermittent RBBB (red arrows), probable posterior wall OMI (blue arrows), LQRSV in V4 thru V6 (probably due to large posterior infarction/myocardial stunning). What is your impression?
Hello Omar. You have made EXCELLENT progress in assessing this tracing — and your conclusions are good ones! That said — My thoughts are the following. Again, to emphasize that you are doing VERY GOOD in recognizing important findings — but if you want to get into complex rhythms such as multi-level AV block — then you will never get beyond the "guessing game" until you begin to do the following. To emphasize — it takes a good while to get beyond the level where you are — but you need to understand WHY this is multi-level block (and I do not see that yet explained).
— So, now that you are getting sophisticated in your rhythm interpretation: i) You should ALWAYS send me a copy of the ORIGINAL tracing before you mark it up with lines. Always SAVE a copy of the original.
— You need to ALWAYS number the beats. Otherwise there is NO intelligent way to talk about which beat is doing what.
— You need to use CALIPERS. Maybe you did — but I do not see you mentioning WHY this is multi-level AV block. The ANSWER is that the PR interval for ALL of the RED arrow P waves is the SAME! So the underlying rhythm is ATach — and we have group beating with definite conduction of the RED arrow P waves = Wenckebach conduction.
— You make a GREAT diagnosis recognizing dual level Wenckebach with 3:2 and 2:1 conduction !!! — but the reason you KNOW this is that all the PINK arrow P waves also have a constant PR interval (that is longer than the RED arrow P waves).
— BOTTOM LINE — I also suspected dual-level AV block — but the reality is that IF you really want to get good at recognizing complex AV blocks like this — then you NEED to begin to draw laddergrams. I could NOT be certain of the mechanism of this complex rhythm UNTIL I was able to draw a laddergram that made sense.
So if you want to learn how to draw laddergrams — GO TO — https://ecg-interpretation.blogspot.com/ — Power Point is BY FAR the best program to use, and I give you a STENCIL for laddergrams, as well as 100+ examples, many with step-by-step instructions. Now it takes time to get good at drawing laddergrams — but that's the ONLY way to really get good at figuring out the precise mechanisms.
Otherwise — You can get better than most at recognizing complex mechanisms — but without drawing a laddergram that is reasonable — you need to number beats, and measure intervals and know WHY certain beats are conducting (ie, the RED and PINK arrow P waves) — and then you can figure out why certain beats are not conducting (the WHITE and YELLOW arrow P waves) even if you do not take the time to draw a laddergram (which is MUCH BETTER than most cardiologists do!)
As to the 12-lead — I am less sure of the "culprit" — and I'm not sure if there is post. vs ant. MI as the cause. There is RBBB (as you say) — but the T wave inversion in V1-thru-V4 is MORE than I'd expect for simple RBBB! If the T wave inversion in the inf. leads was due to recent Inf. MI, now with reperfusion — then I'd expect upright T waves in the anterior leads if this was also a post. MI, now with reperfusion. Instead we see deeper anterior T wave inversion, and also ST elevation in aVL — so I suspect an LAD culprit — with the ST flattening in V5,V6 suggesting multi-vessel disease — BUT I AM NOT AT ALL CERTAIN of this. With multi-vessel disease — you can get unusual findings (due to different hard-to-predict collateralization patterns).
BOTTOM LINE — Nice interpretation by YOU! I might want to use this for an ECG blog if you can: i) Send me a copy of the ECG without your markings; ii) Find out WHERE your friend saw this tracing? (His case? or from the internet? and if from the internet — what is the SPECIFIC LINK on the internet? And can I have his approval to use the case? And I'm happy to acknowledge you and/or him if I publish this).
Please NOTE — I have taken a lot of time to draw the laddergram and suggest to you the next steps to really get good at interpreting complex arrhythmias — because you seem to be very interested in many of these ECGs that you continue to send me. But if I do not see you numbering beats and describing specific measurements of various intervals in the future — I will be much briefer in the future with my descriptions. It's up to you as to how good you want to get. I'm happy to take the time to explain details — but only if you take equal time in applying the measurements I describe. Otherwise — I'll always answer your queries — but I'll be much briefer in my explanations.
OMAR REPLY:
I really appreciate your efforts and your time Professor. And next time with such rhythm I'll draw laddergram. And i will ask him where he got this ECG whether from internet or it is one of his cases . Thank you again Sir.
MY REPLY:
My pleasure Omar! And now that I take another look at this — I need to REDRAW my laddergram! I initially did not think that the YELLOW arrows were conducting because the PR interval before beat #8 in the long lead II looked too short — BUT when you look at the 12-lead — beat #6 (in lead V1) IS conducting with a NORMAL QRS (the longer pause before beat #6 allowed recovery, so that we no longer see the RBBB that was present for beat #5 in lead V1 — so this is still Wenckebach — and probably still dual level — but I need to relook at this tracing and "play" with another laddergram! It's a GREAT case that I'd LOVE to write up as a BLOG. I'll let you know what I come up with.
Overall — I can figure out 90+% of rhythms — but occasionally, I need a laddergram to figure out the most plausible mechanism for some complex rhythms — and that is why it will be GREAT for YOU to get good with laddergrams! — :)
MY NEW REPLY - after REDOING LADDERGRAM:
Hello Omar. I touched up the 12-lead and redid the laddergram. My oversight with the 1st laddergram that I sent you — perhaps the artifact threw me off?
— So — the PR interval for the RED arrow P waves is NOT too short. It is 0.16 second — and as you can see, the PR interval in front of beats #2,4,6 and 8 are all the same (0.16 second = RED arrow P waves).
— The PR interval for the PINK arrow P waves are all the same ( = 0.32 second).
— Note that every other QRS is a little bit narrower! This is easiest to see in lead V1 for beats #5 and #6 — in which beat #5 in V1 conducts with RBBB aberration. Because there is a slighty longer R-R interval before beat #6 — there is time to recover, and beat #6 is narrow (again easiest to see this in lead V1 — but the SAME thing occurs for beats #2,4 and 6, all of which are conducted normally — vs beats #1,3,5 which all conduct with RBBB aberration. (I don't see much of a difference in QRS morphology for beats #7 and 8 ...).
— So for the laddergram — it is the same conduction ratios as for the earlier version that I made = Dual-level Wenckebach conduction with 3:2 and 2:1 conduction — but I think this new laddergram looks much better than my 1st version (much smoother and more gradual development of Wenckebach which looks much more realistic). Sometimes it just takes a little extra time to put everything together.
So it is OK if you cannot get ahold of your friend. As you can see — the tracing looks completely DIFFERENT than the original after my "touch-ups" — and since there is "No history", I am not infringing on anyone's case. So I do NOT need any more information about what happened!
So I plan to write this up as an ECG Blog (it may be ~2 months before I publish it). I'll be glad to acknowledge you if you like ( = Omar Hassan Seddik from Mansoura City, Egypt) — or the case could be anonymous — JUST LET ME KNOW! I plan to show step-by-step development of my laddergram (so there will be over 10 Figures in all) — but I'm attaching the 2 key ones to explain the above.
Great case! — :)
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